An open letter to Shan Larter, maybe I'll send it, but probably not

Dear Shan,

I have always admired you.  Worshipped you, in fact.  As you say, you are one of the few people out there who is treating eating disorders and knows what they are doing.  For one thing, you have experienced eating disorders first hand.  You took action and you did a lot of research and you healed yourself, and you are out there and giving yourself to the world and healing others.

You are right when you say you can’t trust someone with book-learning only.  My own theory is that folks decide to specialize in treating eating disorders because they want total control over their patients.  Eating disorders specialists get to talk to the patient’s primary care doctor, psychiatrist, and nutritionist regularly, and often the patient’s family and sometimes teachers or guidance counselors as well.  These patients require a lot of appointments, usually twice-a-week therapy, so there’s a lot of money involved and a lot of control.  The therapist gets to treat the patient like a child, and controlling therapists eat this up.  Many therapists, when they first start out, assume that eating disorders patients come from wealthy families that have a nice supply of money to pay the therapist.  So I think these are big reasons why many therapists get into eating disorders.  Great incentive, looks super on paper, anyway.  Sure, they have an altruistic attitude, but inside, it’s all greed and control.  And do they really know anything about eating disorders?  Of course not.  They’ve read about it in a book and that’s all.  They’ve seen charts and diagrams.  But they don’t know how it really feels deep down inside.

I have had 18 therapists, 19 if I stick with the new one I just started with.  How many of them had an eating disorder themselves?  None.   And yet they were quick to lecture me and tell me how to run my life.  Huh?  What was I paying these people for?  They didn’t even help me.

Shan, your theories click with me and you are dead-on right about everything you say.  For one thing, this “recovery” thing they talk about is indeed bullshit and I’ve known this for a while, I guess since Feb 2012 and when I fired my abusive therapist shortly afterward, the controlling one who treated me like a child.  Ditching “eating disorders treatment” was one liberating thing that really saved me…at least temporarily…or at least it got me out of a downward spiral that would have ended in a very bad way.

“Weekly weigh-ins” is crap, for one thing, and always was.  Especially in my case, given that I have diabetes insipidus (readers, please look this up) and need to drink a lot of water when I woke up in the morning, throwing off whatever Dr. K’s scale said by the time I got there.  And these practitioners were quibbling over fractions of a pound?  I mean, what a joke.

I don’t want to be a slave to “meal plan” for the rest of my life.   Meal plan is crap.  The food pyramid is based on lies and bribery, anyway.  I did not appreciate being force-fed Nutri-grain bars and Rice Krispie bars in “treatment” (uh, non-treatment) and having the other patients so brainwashed into thinking all this was justified and okay.  It’s not.

Readers, in “treatment” they tell us that vegetarianism and veganism are eating disorders.  I am not kidding you!  Shan, you enlighten the world by shedding light on all this and allowing your patients to explore any type of eating they want.  In “treatment,” they ignore cultural preferences (and probably call religious prohibitions “eating disorders” as well).  You have not talked about cultural stuff, but you have talked about helping us be whoever we are inside, and that, I assume, includes who we are culturally.  You have your patients go through allergy testing to rule out any of those problems that may never, ever have been explored by any other practitioner.  You are amazing.

You talk about our very real fear about becoming “fat.”  Yep, real.  Cuz these “meal plans” seem threatening to us and how on earth can we believe these “nutritionists” who obviously know very little (not much more than the food pyramid) and have lied to us, over and over?

Those nutritionists did nothing but treat me like a child.  And the ones at Walden knew nothing about binge eating and did not know how to treat it.  Nada.  All they wanted to do was put weight on the patients, which was what the insurance companies wanted.  So if your number went down, you’d get a visit from the nutritionist that day.  Me, I liked hearing that my number went down.  Only I kept that to myself.  I was trying to make it go down.  Can you blame me?  I hated those people.  They were like kindergarten.  Folks that treat me like an adult I might meet halfway.

Shan, I know if I got in with you, my edema problem would be solved.  My body insists on doing the wrong thing with water right now and has been for a while, and you could straighten that out in an instant.  You could figure out, also very quickly, where I am nutritionally lacking, and solve the binge eating problem so I wouldn’t have to take medication for it.  You realize that people don’t binge simply out of hunger.  Maybe if those problems were solved, I would have better self-esteem, and would have less desire for thinness and more desire for life.

You could help me figure out how to solve the credibility problem, how to get myself into a position where folks would listen to me, where I’d be treated like the respectable writer that I am instead of a blubbering idiot “mental patient” that people mistake me for.

About a month ago, I attended a free workshop thingy you were giving.  It was kind of a teleconference.  You could sign up for it, and then get a link.  The link would get you a skype number to dial into, or a phone number, or a web page.  The conference was a couple of hours long.  You gave two of these conferences.

At the first one, I listened intently and took notes.  I was so glued.  The day before, I’d been kicked out of my support group.  Yeah, I know.  I am against forced care and won’t bow down to my treatment team, don’t even have a “team” and nobody likes that so I got kicked out.  So the next day was the day of this conference in which you spoke and there were, I guess, 100 listeners and I have no clue who these folks were.

As it turned out, they were potential clients.  Business prospects.  This was a business move, Shan.  You were on the prowl and as the evening session went on, I became resentful.  You have never revealed upfront how much you charge for individual sessions (Readers, these sessions are via Skype and Shan is out of Canada).  I knew that I was about to find out.

So I stayed for the whole two hours.  I listened to the stories, stories I ‘d heard before, the testimonials…I asked myself why there were not other testimonials besides the two or maybe three that are up there on your site.  Why only the two examples?  But I kept on listening.

I was getting more and more bummed out.  My idol, Shan Larter.  Shan, I have always felt that you and I were on the same side of the coin.  But I know from my publisher that what people do to rope in business is to offer something for free.  So this is what you were doing, making promise after promise.

But you stated that you only took on “special clients,” ones that you could help.  You stated that you would refund someone’s money if you felt that it was not a good match.  After they had paid.

Yeah, if they were too sick, maybe?  Or didn’t have more bucks to pay if the first 16 sessions didn’t work out?  Ones that didn’t have supportive husbands or parents (maybe with wallets)?  Or if there was any question of liability?

Shan, I’ve heard it all before.  Care…but only if, first of all, you are female.  Care available only to those who have money.  I wanted to turn my computer off in disgust.

I kept on hearing that you had “secrets” that you wanted to share with only those that “got in” to your special program.  Oh yeah, those that paid big bucks.

The total price was, if I recall correctly, $4,500 for 16 sessions, to be paid upfront.  This included a $500 discount.  Now, if you  downloaded her MP3 file, none of this money stuff is included in the file.  There was a payment plan, but if you pay upfront this “shows you are committed.”

Do the math, readers.  Hey, I know you folks with eating disorders have calculators.

Like I said, there was another session, which I believe was about identical to the first.  I had already turned my back on the world, Shan.  Just disgusted.  Cuz it’s true….

Good, quality care is for the rich.  It just totally sucks.

So I have talked about changing the world. I’m telling you, if I ever offer anything, anything at all, to help anyone, it’s not going to have a huge price tag on it.

Well, I still admire you, Shan.  Offer free care and I’ll love you a lot more.

Julie

 

 

 

16 thoughts on “An open letter to Shan Larter, maybe I'll send it, but probably not”

  1. Julie,

    Hello. My name is Jenna and I am a young and recent Shan “client.” Your blog post really resonates with me and I wanted to thank you for it and share my short “Shan” experience.

    I left after two months of working with her. If I had stayed the remaining three months, I would not have made it out of the program alive–no exaggeration. I told her up front that my weight was low and that I needed a healthy, effective way to put the weight back on and get rid of my eating disorder for good. She told me I was special and that she promised to set me free. My family didn’t have the $4500 up front to pay her. We asked to split the cost up and she said she would do it if we paid an additional $500. In a sense, I am glad we did because we didn’t send in the last few checks. I took on a job to pay for my own treatment and to at least pay the required up-front cost of $3000 (which Shan later told me she would refuse to refund).

    I followed her program to a “T.” My parents urged me not to go through with this, but I reassured them of Shan’s promise to save my life and set me free from my eating disorder. While her confidence-boosting activities and worksheets were helpful, her “healthful” diet reinforced all of my old, eating disordered habits through a very restrictive and orthorexic regiment. I was required to drink 3 liters of water each day (which is almost 13 full cups/almost 102 fluid ounces)! I was essentially required to drink my calories through multiple smoothies each day, so I was barely eating. She allowed for meals without carbohydrates, which as a Type-1 Diabetic nearly destroyed my body. My meal plan consisted of 50% vegetables at every sitting, which were outlandishly filling. Shan also had me take something called an ALCAT test. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALCAT_test). I paid extra money for this and it eliminated even MORE foods for me. I thought this was helpful but it turns out this test is pure garbage. The test itself can’t even replicate its first sets of results. It is inconsistent and incredibly limiting. My blood sugars rollercoastered, my weight plummeted VERY rapidly (which I knew without even stepping on a scale), my nightsweats returned… And the dreams that I was working towards were pushed even further away.

    It is “exciting” as an ill Anorexic to have your food choices limited for you by a “professional.” But it got to the point in Shan’s program where I felt so sick and frail and lethargic that I chose to pull out from the program. I saved my own life and I am so glad that I did.

    I wish I had stumbled upon your blog post before I went through with Shan. Regardless, I want to thank you for your validation in my decision. She is not a good match for everyone and she felt like a money scam to me, too.

    I hope you are doing well.
    Take care.
    -Jenna

    1. Thanks so much for sharing this experience, Jenna. It sounds like Shan did not truly have enough specialized knowledge about diabetes. I was very excited about Shan when I first saw all her You-Tubes, and I truly am against the “team” approach because I feel it is inhumane. But when I heard Shan’s two-hour “free seminar” thingy back in October and I think November, two of these she had, this was when I stopped believing in her. It was a real blow for me, actually. I had idolized her. I thought she had the answers and was “the one.”

      But as I listened to the seminars, I realized these were not teaching seminars, but instead, she was trying to rope in clients. Let me explain. I actually learned this from my publisher, Jason Pegler, of Chipmunkapublishing. I met Jason when I went over to London back last year. It is a technique of selling yourself.

      What you do, to sell yourself, is to give something away for free. So you give away information, such as a free class, as bait. People get interested, and they come and grab the bait. Then, you hype up your product, tell them how good it is, and then you sell it to them.

      So during this “free seminar,” I noted that these two seminars were identical, and probably the second was just a recording of the first one. She hyped herself up, telling the audience how great she was, and then, at the very, very end, told the audience what the price was.

      I was literally gasping. This meant $300 a session. Not even someone with an MD charges that much. She has much less education than that and should not be charging $300 a session, especially since these sessions are done over Skype, not face-to-face. The Institute for Integrative Nutrition is a one-year course, and I guess she has a couching certificate. That’s not a college degree, although IIN does have some sort of accreditation system, it is not a degree. Of course, her having had an eating disorder herself, now, that’s priceless. That’s I think her best asset. But it does not justify the cost.

      Note also that there are only two testimonials, the two that she has recorded, the one who becomes a personal trainer and the one who becomes a therapist of sorts for people who have been through child abuse or something like that. Only those two testimonials and no others. We don’t really know how many “clients” Shan really has. Not that she needs that many to get filthy rich.

      Me, I went through a bad time after my view of Shan was shattered. Actually, I felt like the whole human race royally sucked.

      My goal is to find a treatment for eating disorders that is non-coercive. Right now, none exists. I am dead-set determined.

      If someone is charging an arm and a leg, don’t trust them. If you lose your arm and your leg, you have lost one helluva lot of weight, and then what do they do? They ask for the other arm and the other leg. Then, you are really fucked. Never mind the weight loss. Keep those limbs of yours. You need them.

      I hope you find someone more suitable, Jenna, and I’m glad you are “free” of what sounds like what wasn’t in fact “freedom” at all.

      Julie

  2. Julie, thank you for your blog post, and Jenna, thank you for your honest response. Both were interesting to read.

    I’m a male who has struggled with an eating disorder for 5 years. I found Shan’s videos on YouTube and was immediately inspired by her, and also drawn to the fact that Shan used ‘real’ food (fruits, vegetables, etc.) in her personal diet, which really appealed to my orthorexic side.

    I don’t want to pass any judgement on Shan and her methods because I do feel that she is the real deal in so far as she was an ED sufferer who seems to have cured herself, so instead I’ll just mention a few positive and negative feelings I have about her and her coaching programme.

    On the plus side, Shan looks strong and healthy, and is energetic and enthusiastic. She speaks from experience, and she gives hope that there is a permanent Freedom from EDs. She made a nine-part series of excellent free videos called ‘The Personality of Freedom’, identifying the personality traits that we all have in common and how these traits can be used to our advantage to free ourselves. I can’t sing the praises of these videos highly enough. Shan takes a unique approach, one that resonates with me after seeing the flaws in the conventional system. (Note that these videos were about self-empowerment and a variation of cognitive behavioural therapy, and were not about food & diet).

    On the negative side, I too sat through Shan’s webcast only to be stunned by the final revelation of the cost of her coaching programme and the limited spaces. The hope that she had given me was replaced by a nagging feeling of cynicism. The aforementioned free videos, although inspiring, are of little use without mentoring/coaching, and I felt that Shan was just fishing for clients rather than being altruistic.

    Another concern of mine was that I’d only be replacing my recovery meal plan rules with Shan’s new set of rules: green smoothies between meals, lots of water, etc. My problem for many years was orthorexia (the perfect diet), and I did have very real fears of going back to that place. I saw a mention of food combining too (on Shan’s website I think), e.g. the protein and vegetable meal that Jenna mentioned. I had tried eating carbs and proteins at separate meals when going through my orthorexic stage and the results were horrible – an exhausting coma-like state after protein meals due to low blood sugar.

    Another thing that doesn’t feel good to me is that Shan stops making YouTube videos AS SOON as she has new clients. Her last upload was 11 months ago, so now the YouTube videos feel like yet another net for catching clients.

    Finally, Shan always refers to ‘Women’ in her videos, on her website and Facebook pages. Being a guy, I’m kinda used to there being more women with EDs than men, and I’m cool with it because when it comes to Eating Disorders I know from experience that there is very little difference between the sexes. But Shan is intent on talking to the ‘Women’ only, even though I’ve asked her to mention men as well, or too leave the sexes out completely. Julie, I see you have noticed this too. It’s a minor point but another concern.

    Anyway, positives and negatives. But it is good to be cautious and look a little deeper than what we stumble across on the internet.

    Much love and health to everyone,
    Ian.

    1. Ian,

      I am so happy that you have responded. Yes, I agree, I, too, am impressed with Shan’s criticism of the “recovery” model. I am also impressed with her choice to bash the overuse, specifically, of “recovery”!

      See. it’s just like we learned in standup comedy. You say “fuck” too much and what happens? The word loses all power. No one hears the word anymore. It becomes annoyance and the comedian is now wasting time using a whole bunch of single-word verbal padding. Not only that, but your show is stil “over 18 only” for no good reason. That’s what’s happened to “recovery.” I’m SICK and tired of hearing it yapped about. Getting sicker, too, cuz everyone claims to own it.

      Everyone thinks their way is the only way. If you don’t do _______, you don’t have RECOVERY, you don’t have (pardon me) a piece of the pie.

      I went to this website recently that says you should not use “clinical words,” or “medical words,” and if you do, you are offending the “Recovery Community.”

      So I stood in my kitchen and I said, “Dehydration. Dehydration. Dehydration.” I prayed that a certain person’s ceiling would fall in. I don’t think it has worked yet. I’m not very good at terrorism, although I’d say that’s not the greatest thing to say online.

      I think you are right that Shan does put out You-Tubes to rope in clients. Remember, you give something out for free so as to sell yourself. That’s a marketing ploy. So you sacrifice a bit of bait, then that will get you a big catch.

      I have confronted Shan regarding treating men. She answered that she specializes in women and her mind is made up. But Ian, there is such a need for help for men that it is purely criminal that there isn’t more help out there.

      I have even confronted the local eating disorders place and asked them why they do not offer a support group for men. Honestly, I don’t recall the reason. I think there was none, only an excuse.

      Julie

  3. Hi Julie,

    Great to hear from you.

    I think mixed support groups are the future, men and women together. When I was an in-patient at an eating disorder unit I was the only male in a group of women. At first I was concerned about how it was going to work out but I had absolutely no reason to worry. The majority of the issues that we shared with each other had nothing to do with gender at all, and on the very rare occasion that we discussed things relating to bodies or sex it was fine… ED sufferers are intelligent, sensitive and empathetic people, perfectly suited to listening, understanding and supporting. I think a mixed support group is far more balanced and powerful than just women or just men.

    I was an unfinished project when I hit the limit of what my health insurance would pay out for in-patient care. For a couple of years after being discharged I got the continued support of the group that were in my ED unit, but we have all lost touch with each other as we live in different parts of the country. I’ve been thinking over the last couple of years that I need a mentor, somebody who has been through an ED and come out the other side victorious. I live in a small-ish town so I didn’t really expect to find such a mentor locally, so I turned to the internet and found Shan. But the internet is a minefield and a gamble, and maybe I should start looking locally again. Or maybe I shouldn’t look for a single mentor (which is a bit idealistic), but instead find a local support group. A group would be more balanced in its view than an individual, and less prone to “my way is the only way” 🙂

    Wishing everyone health and happiness,
    Ian.

    1. Some towns have support groups and some don’t. If yours doesn’t have one or the town you are in has a “my way is the only way” type group, or one that’s ridiculously expensive or has too many senseless “rules,” (or, as often do, do not allow men) I’d suggest starting your own!

      Set your own criteria and put in an ad somewhere. I’d look around and see where the best place is to put in an ad. We have this thing “meetup” which brings in “meetup” subscribers. There is Craigslist…which I don’t know anything about. Or you can try making an Internet site…or if the town has a social media site, I’d definitely make use of that. Some towns do. I’m told that you can advertise on NEDA for free if you are nonprofit, but I don’t know the details of this, or you could contact NEDA and tell them to refer folks to your support group, once you got going. Or there’s the old-fashioned way, putting up actual hard copy signs, right on telephone poles or bus stops or gyms.

      As I have said, I have been kicked off websites so many times I couldn’t tell ya. I’m scared to join another. Even ED websites scare me now. They just seem to have way too many rules that by chance I’m afraid I may break. Everyone seems so critical of each other. That bugs the heck out of me. I think being accepting and welcoming should be top priority. My concern is that folks are coming from places and situations where they were less accepted and or even bullied, and are coming to online places hoping for loving and caring people, not put-downs or demeaning remarks. Getting kicked off a website really hurts. Even if I’ve only been a member a day or two.

      There is a mentoring site, I can’t recall the name of it, where you find a single mentor and work with that person. I’m sure if you do a Google search you can find it. The concept is truly revolutionary and I think it’s awesome, personally. I think there’s an application process for getting a mentor, some kind of way that you show you are ready to do some work, and that you are serious about it, you know what I mean. I have no clue about the matching process, and I think there’s a dues or donation suggestion, but I’m not sure. Of course, there may be “requirements,” such as having a T, or whatever…gee, what if you can’t find a T, cuz of freaking insurance? Back to square one, I guess. Not sure if they encourage the “team approach” or if this group is more liberal and will take people who do not necessarily subscribe to this approach. As you know, I myself find the “team approach” not appropriate for adults. I believe it is too restrictive. “Blind weights” seems to me like the road to deceit.

      Best of luck, Ian. I have no clue where you live, and it’s none of my business. Far away, I assume. I hope you have decent weather.

      Julie

  4. Good afternoon to everyone who has commented on this post on Shan Larter and everyone out there in the Universe,

    Just thought I’d mention that I received notification that Shan’s Facebook page titled “Eating Disorders Freedom Coach” was going to be retitled to Freedom Has No Rules” and Shan’s Facebook page Shan Larter is also going to be retitled to something I forget, something not having anything to do with eating disorders at all. These changes will both take place August 5, 2013 and I assume these are happening so she can rid herself of her current fan base. Not that I know anything about FB but I assume the name changes will successfully do this for her. People will have to resubscribe to her. Most likely, she’s hoping to get rid of the folks she has, nasty people like me and others she doesn’t want, of course.

    I was surprised and not surprised at all to go to her page “Shan Larter” and see it completely transformed. It’s not in the eating disorders or health business at all. No, it’s in the business business. Of course, it’s her business to do this. She can do anything she wants and I don’t really give a shit. But of course, this is all very interesting, isn’t it?

    Yes, she’s coaching other health coaches how to rope in unsuspecting clients and make big bucks. Or shrinks. Or broke quack therapists.

    Yes, Shan, you very well know what you’re doing. Or maybe not. But please, Shan, your prices for health coaching are just out of this world. That alone makes me sick.

    Sure, there are plenty of rich doctors, too, living the life. There are lots of quacks out there. But there are doctors and surgeons and veterinarians working for charities and all kinds of practitioners practicing for peanuts or nothing that are far more qualified than you.

    Someday, there will be a humane cure for eating disorders and I hope it is found. I am always on the lookout and I always dig for one myself.

    Folks, go out there and dig. Dig deep. Dig anywhere, in your yard perhaps, or into the depths of your mind. Go find that gem, dust it off, and hold it close.

    Julie

  5. Julie, Jenna and Ian, thank you for your posts.
    I want to share my experience of being a Shan’s client. I payed her in total 10000$ and I still have my ED.
    My final opinion: she really wants to help her clients, but she doesn’t have enough education and experience: both in psychology and nutrition. At the same time she is very pushy and she believes that her system is the universal truth on the Earth.
    Her videos and forms were helpful for me. I think they are very helpful for self growth and development.
    What she told about nutrition was a total disaster for me. The huge amount of green smoothies got my digestion a lot worse. She told that I have a leaky gut syndrome and made me to buy many very expensive supplements. These supplements made my digestion even worse and finally I refused any of her help with supplements and all her nutrition advices. The food sensitivity test was a disaster for me, because I needed to exclude all the foods that I ate and tolerated very well. I lost weight even more, felt brain fog all the time. My hemoglobin was very low. Later I did a research about food sensitivity tests. Based on numerous scientific papers they are all lie.
    The private sessions with her were helpful most of the time. In some cases she was very hard on me and I felt guilty and ashamed of myself.
    At the end of her 5 month program (FHNR) I was able to hold my food down, but I was hungry all the time and never felt satisfaction after eating. 1 month later I relapsed and 3 months later I wrote to her telling her that I relapsed. I still believed that she helped me and her program is good (except nutrition part). She told that I can pay 3500 dollars and she will take me back to FHNR and makes me better in 3 months. I became a little better and she told that I am free and I can join another program, which supports the further self growth, and costs 1500 dollars. I guess, I was completely brainwashed, because I joined this program. Nothing was helpful there for me, and this program was very purely made. My ED was still with me, but I didn’t tell her about it, because I promised, that I will not have it. Finally I realized how stupid all this and told her that I don’t need her and all her programs anymore. So, because of my stupidity I am at the same place one year later without 10000 dollars.
    For the truth’s sake, I need to tell that I know people, who benefited from her programs and are happy and healthy now. I think, if you have the similar ED like she had and if you have the similar body/metabolism, like she has, you are lucky – her program is for you. At the same time, I don’t think it should be so expensive. I found many psychologists, who overcame their EDs and now are helping other people to do the same. They have much higher level of education and charge 3 times less.

    1. Hi Olga,

      Thanks for responding! I’m so sorry you went through all that. So many people have read this particular post here and I think I will respond in a follow-up post right now, that is, today being November 10, 2013. So do look for it.
      Julie

  6. Hi Julie and everyone,

    Two years on from finding this blog post and leaving a comment on it myself, I wanted to post an update.

    In my original post in 2013 I didn’t want to judge Shan Larter and her methods because she had supposedly helped other people find freedom from their eating disorder, and I was also excited about her fresh and radical approach and had enjoyed the free ‘taster’ material she had made available on her website and on YouTube. But at the same time I had reservations: the shocking cost of her programme; the fact that I’d be replacing my old meal plan with another regimented meal plan; the calculated marketing of her programme (her YouTube videos, emails and website posts start as soon as she is looking for new clients, and when she has the new clients the videos and posts stop abruptly).

    I’m still sitting on the fence but I just wanted to say that history has repeated itself: After TWO YEARS of silence on YouTube and email, the marketing machine has suddenly kicked into life again. This time, Shan doesn’t use her real name at all! She now goes by the name of SALT, and her website and YouTube channel are now called ‘SALT ED FREEDOM’ (and she has another website called ‘STARVE ED’, and possibly more besides).

    There could be a perfectly reasonable explanation for her changing her own name. Shan may have gone through a big life change and the new name ‘SALT’ could be symbolic of the new person she has become. Or a more cynical explanation is that she wants to completely disconnect from any past negative feedback, such as on this blog page. After all, this page was the second search result to come up when Googling ‘Shan Larter’! Not so great for anyone trying to run a business.

    Personally, I’m concerned that Shan has changed her business name yet again – Julie noted above that her website and Facebook page name changed in July 2013, so that’s 3 identities I’ve known of in just a couple of years. These blog posts will at least link all of these identities together when people are Googling Shan Larter/SALT to find out more.

    The new website and videos are extremely slick, which makes sense because Shan’s other business is Marketing. I should be impressed with the new high production values of the videos and the professional look of her new website, but it makes me suspicious. I’d rather her focus less on style and image and more on the substance of being stable and consistent and affordable.

    I still want to believe that Shan is the real deal but Shan is not a constant in the online world – she’s here, then gone again, then back with a new company name, and then gone again… Maybe she disappears for long periods because she is giving all her time and energy to her clients? I can’t say. I don’t want to put anybody off getting help. Shan may or may not be the person to help you find freedom.

    Love, health and hapiness to everyone,
    Ian.

    1. It’s great to hear from you again, Ian. I hope you are okay. Funny, it’s now been like three years since I posted this following Shan’s marketing ploy, her free seminar or whatever when she didn’t announce the cost of her “services” till the very end. That, to me, was so devastating, since she built herself up as some kind of guru, and I so much wanted to believe it.

      However, the good news is that I am really getting better from ED. I got away from all the baloney and forced appointments, and that, to me, is freedom. The last thing I want is yet another forced weigh-in. The sight of an office makes me sick. But getting away from the USA and its police state has certainly done me a world of good. It’s my goal to set up a refuge place for ED and those escaping ED “care.” Best of luck to everyone.

      Julie

      1. Wow, yeah, I just looked at her video. God’s hands and feet? If that means anything more puffed up than “human,” then I gotta question just how realistic her view of herself is. As a Jew who believes if God exists at all, she’s female, I don’t think I’d be particularly interested in Jesus-oriented coaching.though I figure some folks are into that. And that hairdo! I’m not sure I liked the other expensive do, either. Now I know where those fees ended up. I can’t even afford a trim, nor to get my teeth fixed up, nor any make-up job. I sure can’t afford Shan. Yet I got better from ED with no money. Money would have gotten in the way, I think. I’m really not into having ownership of “secrets” that I’m going to charge people for. Anyone can read it all here.

        When I open my “ED” place it’ll cost nothing, and all employees will be volunteer, all survivors of ED on the journey, men and women both. No one will be turned away, and there will never be locked doors, nor will our place be so isolated in some rural area where folks cannot “escape.” No one will be there that doesn’t want to be. It is my dream, and I feel closer to making it reality every day.

      2. Great to hear that you’re doing well Julie. Wow, it sounds like a lot has changed for you since my last visit to your blog. What country are you living in now?

        Things are good my end, thanks. I’ve just returned from a few days of travelling. There’s something about being away from home, work and routine that does me the world of good. It wakes me up to things that I’ve been doing wrong, makes me aware of ruts and bad habits that I’ve got into. I always return with renewed enthusiasm and determination! 🙂

        1. Excellent! I’m big on ruts! That is, most people’s problems can be attributed to one or several that one is in. Get out of the rut and you are much better off. It’s so much less complicated than it needs to be.

          Definition of “illness”: Someone else owns your body. That I know of, this is always true. How to get well: Take your body back. This is my own thinking.

          I am living in beautiful Uruguay. Yes, there’s life below the equator! Most of those in the upper hemisphere aren’t even aware that we exist here. I laugh over that.

          Julie

  7. Bless you for writing this. It feels good to see that there are other people out there who see how messed up the entire industry is, from insurance companies and “recovery” centers on down to clinicians themselves. Makes me feel a lot less alone in this for sure.

    1. Oh my goodness yes! I can’t believe how messed up it is, and it’s not getting any better, either. Check out the article I wrote in Mad in America where I commented on the NEDA walk (in part of it) here: http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/03/journey-freedom-three-part-story/.

      Also, here I have done a critique of the forced weigh-in, which terrorizes kids and turns many of them into compulsive liars because they have to be dishonest to get by: http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/12/your-weight-is-forbidden-fruit-inpatient-eating-disorders-care/.

      Take care and avoid the nuthouse/prison…….Or run away fast……

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